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Welcome to Episode 4 of A Beautiful Podcast to Fall in Love, TV Guide’s unofficial Bachelor Nation podcast. This week, former The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise cast member Jacqueline Trumbull and TV Guide associate editor Liam Mathews break down Episode 3 of Colton Underwood’s season.

Topics discussed include Demi putting the show on her unhinged back, pretending to be excited about a country singer you’ve never heard of, the unsatisfying nature of the Hannah B./Caelynn pageant drama, the general gimmickiness of how all the contestants have been presented so far and Colton’s seeming inability to enjoy himself. Things get a little dark. Plus, Jacqueline gives some insight into the average contestant’s wardrobe budget.

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The Bachelor airs Mondays at 8/7c on ABC.

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